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Ambassador Liu Xiaoming Holds a Press Conference on the Situation in Hong Kong

驻英国大使刘晓明就香港局势举行中外记者会实录

 

15 August 2019

2019年8月15日

On 15th August 2019, H.E. Ambassador Liu Xiaoming held a press conference at the Chinese Embassy on the radical violence in Hong Kong which has escalated and caused severe damages. More than 50 journalists from 27 media agencies attended the press conference, including BBC, Radio 4, ITV, Sky News, Channel 4, Financial Times, The Daily Telegraph, The Times, Guardian, Reuters of the UK, China’s Xinhua News Agency, CCTV, China News Service, CGTN, China Daily, Economic Daily, Science and Technology Daily, Guangming Daily, and Global Times of China, and Bloomberg, CNN, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Phoenix Infonews, European Times, and UK Chinese Times. The following is the transcript of the press conference.

2019年8月15日，驻英国大使刘晓明在驻英使馆就香港问题举行中外记者会，针对近期发生在香港特别行政区的街头暴力激进活动不断升级阐明中方原则立场。英国广播公司（BBC）、BBC广播四台、独立电视台、天空新闻台、电视四台、《金融时报》、《每日电讯报》、《泰晤士报》、《卫报》、路透社等英国媒体，新华社、中央电视台、中国新闻社、中国环球电视网（CGTN）、《中国日报》、《经济日报》、《科技日报》、《光明日报》、《环球时报》等中国媒体，以及彭博社、美国有线电视新闻网（CNN）、今日俄罗斯电视台（RT）、加拿大广播公司、凤凰卫视资讯台、《欧洲时报》、《英中时报》、《侨报》等27家中外媒体50余名记者出席。记者会上还播放了揭露香港一小撮暴力激进分子违法犯罪丑恶行径的短片。记者会实录如下：

 

Ambassador: On 3 July, I held a press conference here to answer questions about the amendments to Hong Kong’s extradition laws and to explain China’s position. For more than a month since then, the opposition in Hong Kong and some radical forces have continued to use their opposition to the amendments as an excuse for various types of radical street protests. The violence involved has escalated and the damage to the society has expanded. The movement has gone way beyond free assembly and peaceful protests. It is posing a severe challenge to law and order in Hong Kong, threatening the safety of life and property of the Hong Kong people, undermining the prosperity and stability in Hong Kong and challenging the principled bottom line of “One Country, Two Systems”. As a result, Hong Kong now faces the gravest situation since its handover.

刘大使：7月3日，我在使馆举办了一次中外记者会，介绍香港“修例”问题及中方立场。此后一个多月以来，香港反对派和一些激进势力继续借口“反修例”进行各种街头激进抗争活动，暴力化程度不断升级，社会波及面越来越广，完全超出自由集会与和平抗议范畴，严重挑战香港法治和社会秩序，严重威胁香港市民生命财产安全，严重破坏香港繁荣稳定，严重触碰“一国两制”原则底线，致使香港面临回归以来最严峻的局面。

 

A handful of extreme radicals have been undermining rule of law, social order and “One Country, Two Systems” in Hong Kong. But they have taken cover under the so-called “pro-democracy movement” to hide their real intention and to whitewash their disruptive actions. This “neo-extremism” is both highly deceptive and destructive. The “neo-extremists” stormed the Legislative Council Complex, attacked the Liaison Office of the Central People’s Government in Hong Kong, assaulted police officers and brought Hong Kong airport to a standstill by illegal assembly. Their moves are severe and violent offences, and already show signs of terrorism. The Central Government of China would never allow a few violent offenders to drag Hong Kong down a dangerous abyss. We would never allow anyone to harm the rule of law and sound development in Hong Kong. We would never allow anyone to undermine “One Country, Two Systems” at any excuse. Should the situation in Hong Kong deteriorate further into unrest uncontrollable for the Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (SAR), the Central Government would not sit on its hands and watch. We have enough solutions and enough power within the limit of the Basic Law to quell any unrest swiftly.

一些极端激进分子在香港兴风作浪，打着所谓民主的幌子，掩盖其反法治、反社会、反“一国两制”的真实面目和险恶用心，是兼具欺骗性与破坏性的“新极端主义”。他们打砸立法会，冲击中联办，暴力袭击警员，在香港机场非法集结致使机场全面停止运营，已经构成严重暴力犯罪，开始出现恐怖主义的苗头。中国中央政府绝不会放任少数人以暴力行径把香港拖向危险的深渊，绝不允许任何人破坏香港的法治与良好发展局面，绝不允许任何人以任何借口破坏“一国两制”。如果香港局势进一步恶化，出现香港特区政府不能控制的动乱，中国中央政府绝不会坐视不管。按照《基本法》规定，中国中央政府有足够多的办法、足够强大的力量迅速平息可能出现的各种动乱。

 

This is a critical moment for Hong Kong. How will this end? This question is in the mind of all those who care about the future of Hong Kong. It is also hitting headlines and making “cover stories” in British media. Our answer to this question is firm and clear: We hope this will end in an orderly way. In the meantime, we are fully prepared for the worst. So how will this end in an orderly way? I think the following four points are extremely important.

当前，香港处于关键时刻。如何结束香港乱局？这是所有关心香港前途的人都在思考的问题，也是英国各大媒体头版头条和“封面文章”之问。我们的回答坚定而明确：我们希望香港事态平稳有序结束，同时我们做了最坏准备。如何实现香港事态平稳有序结束？我认为，以下四点至关重要：

 

First, the priority now is to support the SAR Government in ending violence and restoring order. I hope that Hong Kong people, especially the young people who have been led astray, would have a clear understanding of the current situation in Hong Kong and cherish the sound development of Hong Kong after the handover, which has not come by easily. I hope they will keep the big picture in mind, rally behind the Chief Executive and the SAR Government, uphold rule of law and justice in Hong Kong, and safeguard national unification as well as Hong Kong’s prosperity and stability. Hong Kong people from all walks of life must refuse to be used or coerced by the radical forces. They should say “no” to all violence and lawlessness. They should support the SAR Government in governing Hong Kong in accordance with law, and support the Hong Kong police in strict and rigorous enforcement.

第一，坚决支持香港特区政府止暴制乱、恢复秩序。希望广大香港市民，特别是一些不明真相的年轻人，认清当前香港局势，珍惜香港回归后来之不易的良好发展局面，顾全大局，团结一致，坚定不移挺特首、挺政府，守护香港的法治与正义，维护祖国统一和香港繁荣稳定。希望香港各界人士不要被反对势力所利用和裹挟，要向一切暴力行径大声“说不”，要向一切践踏法治的行径坚决“说不”，坚定支持特区政府依法施政，坚定支持香港警方严正执法。

 

Second, the violent offenders must be brought to justice in accordance with law. It is the basic requirement of the rule of law that all laws must be observed and all offenders must be held accountable. The violent and lawless perpetrators must be brought to justice no matter who they are or however hard they try to whitewash their actions. If anyone in this country questions this point, let me ask them this: Would the UK allow extremists to storm the Palace of Westminster or damage its facilities, and get away with it? Would the UK give permission for attacking police officers with lethal weapons or set fire to the police station without any punishment? Would the UK allow so-called pro-democracy rioters to occupy the airport, obstruct traffic, disturb social order or threaten the safety of people’s life and property? Aren’t all these regarded as crimes in the UK? Indulging lawlessness is tantamount to blaspheming against justice. Conniving in violence is tantamount to trampling on the rule of law. No country under the rule of law, no responsible government, would sit by and watch as such violence rages on. The Central Government of China firmly supports the SAR Government and Hong Kong police in strict, rigorous and decisive enforcement, so as to bring the offenders to justice as soon as possible and uphold the rule of law and social order in Hong Kong.

第二，坚决依法严惩暴力犯罪分子。有法必依、违法必究是任何一个法治社会的基本要求。暴力就是暴力，违法就是违法，这不会因为暴力违法分子打着什么幌子就发生变化。只要是违法行为，无论怎么粉饰，都要受到法律的制裁；只要参与暴力犯罪活动，无论是谁，都要追究其法律责任。试问，英国会允许极端激进分子冲击议会、破坏议会设施而逍遥法外吗？英国会允许用致命武器袭击警察、烧毁警署而不受惩罚吗？英国会允许暴徒打着所谓民主的幌子占领机场、堵塞交通、破坏社会秩序、威胁民众生命财产安全吗？这些行为在英国难道不构成违法犯罪吗？姑息违法，就是亵渎正义；纵容暴力，就是践踏法治。任何一个法治国家，任何一个负责任的政府，都不会对上述暴力行径坐视不管。中国中央政府坚定支持特区政府和香港警方严正执法、果断执法，尽快将违法分子绳之以法、严惩不贷，依法维护香港法治环境和社会秩序。

 

Third, foreign forces must stop interfering in Hong Kong’s affairs. Evidence shows that the situation in Hong Kong would not have deteriorated so much had it not been for the interference and incitement of foreign forces. Some Western politicians and organizations have publicly or covertly given various types of support to the violent radicals, and tried to interfere in the judicial independence of Hong Kong and obstruct Hong Kong police from bringing the violent offenders to justice. I want to reiterate here that Hong Kong is part of China; no foreign country should interfere in Hong Kong affairs. We urge those foreign forces to respect China’s sovereignty and security, immediately stop interfering in Hong Kong affairs, stop interfering in China’s internal affairs, and stop conniving in violent offences. They should not misjudge the situation and go down the wrong path. Otherwise, they will “lift the stone only to drop it on their own feet”.

第三，外部势力停止干预香港事务。有诸多证据显示，香港局势恶化到今天的地步，与外部势力介入与煽风点火是分不开的。一些西方国家政客和机构明里暗里为暴力激进分子提供各种支持，为他们撑腰打气，甚至干扰香港司法独立，阻碍香港警方将暴力犯罪分子绳之以法。我想重申，香港是中国的香港，香港事务绝不容外国插手。我们奉劝那些外国势力，尊重中国主权和安全，立即停止以任何方式干预香港事务和中国内政，立即停止纵容暴力犯罪，不要误判形势，在错误的路上越走越远，否则必将搬起石头砸自己的脚。

 

Fourth, the media must shoulder due social responsibilities. Since what happened in Hong Kong, I have to say, the Western media have failed to play a credible role. Instead of reporting the situation in a just and objective manner, they have confused right and wrong, given unbalanced account and misled the public. There has been massive coverage on so-called “right to peaceful protest” but few reports on the violent offences by the extreme radicals such as disruption of social order, attacks on police officers and injuries to bystanders. There has not been a word about the extensive public support for the SAR Government and for restoring law and order in Hong Kong. The lawless and violent offenders who undermine rule of law are whitewashed and named “pro-democracy activists” in media reports. But the legitimate law enforcement measures of the SAR Government and the police to uphold law and order and protect life and property of the people are labeled “repression”. Such selective reporting and distortion have resulted in the prevalence of wrong information and have misled the public, especially young people in Hong Kong. It is fair to say that Western media have inescapable responsibility for the current situation in Hong Kong! I sincerely hope that Western media would reflect on the social impact of their reporting, shoulder due social responsibilities, and report the situation in Hong Kong in a just and objective manner. I hope they would stop speaking up for the extreme violent offenders, refrain from pouring oil over the flame in Hong Kong, and foster a sound environment of public opinion so that law and order could be restored in Hong Kong. To help you understand the fourth point that I have just made, I would like to show a short video clip, so that you could see some scenes and hear some voices that are absent in Western media.

第四，媒体承担起应有的社会责任。香港事态发生以来，西方媒体扮演了十分不光彩的角色，不仅没有公正客观报道，反而混淆是非、颠倒黑白、误导公众：连篇累牍地渲染所谓“和平示威权利”，却对极端暴力分子破坏社会秩序、袭警伤人的违法犯罪行为熟视无睹，对支持特区政府、守护香港法治正义声音更是鲜有见报；将破坏香港法治、为非作歹的暴徒美化为“支持民主的人士”，却将特区政府和警队维护香港法治、保护市民生命财产安全的正当合法举措恶意污蔑为“镇压”。正是这些媒体的“选择性失声”和“歪曲性报道”，使错误舆论大行其道，误导了许多不明真相的民众特别是香港年轻人。可以说，西方媒体对香港今天的局面负有不可推卸的责任！我真诚地希望西方媒体反思自己行为的社会影响，承担起应有的社会责任，公正客观地报道香港局势，不要再为极端暴力分子说项，不要再给香港乱局火上加油，为平稳、有序结束香港乱局营造良好的舆论环境。为了帮助各位理解我说的第四点，我们制作了一个短片，让大家看一看在西方媒体看不到的画面，听一听在西方媒体听不到的声音。

 

(Video clip is played.)

（播放短片）

 

 “Order fosters prosperity while unrest brews regress.” Given what is happening in Hong Kong, this ancient Chinese teaching cannot be more relevant. It is in the interests of both China and the international community including the UK to have a prosperous and stable Hong Kong, where over three hundred thousand British citizens live and work, and where three hundred British companies are doing business. I sincerely hope that people from all walks of life in the UK will have a clear understanding of the big picture, act in the interest of Hong Kong’s prosperity and stability, and refrain from saying or doing anything that interferes in Hong Kong’s affairs or undermines rule of law in Hong Kong. I am confident that with the support of the Central Government of China and under the leadership of the SAR Government and Chief Executive Carrie Lam, Hong Kong will bring violence to an end and restore law and order at an early date. Hong Kong, the “oriental pearl”, will once again shine brightly.

“治则兴，乱则衰”。这句中国古训对今天的香港再适用不过。目前，有30多万英国公民在香港工作和生活，300多家英国公司在香港投资兴业。香港保持繁荣稳定，不仅符合中国的利益，也符合包括英国在内的各国共同利益。我衷心希望，英国各界有识之士认清大局，多做有利于香港繁荣稳定的事，抵制和反对任何干涉香港事务、破坏香港法治的言行。我坚信，在中国中央政府的大力支持下，在香港特区政府和林郑月娥行政长官的带领下，香港社会一定能够尽快止暴制乱，尽早恢复正常秩序，使香港这颗东方明珠重放光彩。

 

Now I would like to take your questions.

下面，我愿回答大家提问。

 

Bloomberg: I noticed that there was one moment in the clip when one of the speakers pointed out that Hong Kong police were not using live ammunition. There have been armed personnel carriers and troops, shown on social media and TV, just outside Hong Kong. If they were to be deployed at some point as you suggest is possible, would they use live ammunition? Would they be entitled to use it?

彭博社记者：我注意到视频里一位香港官员表示香港警察从未打出真正枪弹。社交媒体上传播的视频显示，中国军队正在香港之外进行反恐演习，如果军队派往香港，是否将被授权使用真枪实弹？

 

Ambassador: I would answer your question in this way. I think the Hong Kong situation is at a very critical moment. But we have full trust and confidence in the Chief Executive and the Government of Hong Kong Special Administration Region in handling the situation and bringing it to an end in an orderly way. As I said in my opening remarks, if the situation deteriorates further into unrest uncontrollable for the SAR Government, the Central Government will not sit by and watch. We have enough solutions and enough power to put it to an end and to quell the unrest swiftly.

刘大使：我想这样回答你的问题。香港的形势十分严峻，但我们对特区政府和行政长官处理和平息局势、恢复秩序有充分信任和信心。正如我在开场白中所说，如果香港局势进一步恶化、出现特区政府不能控制的动乱，中国中央政府绝不会坐视不管。中国政府有足够多的办法和足够强大的力量迅速平息动乱。

 

CNN: We have a message from President Trump saying that he is willing to discuss with President Xi Jinping on this situation. Has there been any response yet to this suggestion? If it is being considered, will it help to resolve the situation?

CNN记者：特朗普总统已表示希与习近平主席讨论香港问题。中方是否已正式回应其提议？如习主席同意与特见面，将有助于缓解香港当前形势吗？

Ambassador: I don’t think President Trump proposed formally to have a meeting with President Xi Jinping. I thought he tweeted to express his views on Hong Kong. Hong Kong is a constant subject between China and Western governments, including the UK and the United States. We are open to discussion. But the important thing to remember is that we do not accept any interference in Hong Kong’s internal affairs. We believe it is purely China’s internal affairs. We strongly oppose any foreign intervention, including foreign organizations giving financial support and some Congressmen proposing so-called Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act. Especially, we are opposed to foreign officials making telephone calls to the SAR Government and exerting pressures by publicly showing their support for the rioters. We strongly oppose this.

刘大使：我不认为特朗普总统已正式提出要与习近平主席会面，他应该是在推特发文提到香港形势。我们可以讨论香港问题，但最重要的是，香港事务是中国内政，中方坚决反对任何外部干涉，包括一些外国组织为极端暴力行为提供资金支持，一些美国议员提出所谓关于香港的法案，违背国际关系准则。我特别要强调的是，中方坚决反对任何外国政府官员给特区政府打电话施压，公开支持暴力分子。

 

Reuters: I noticed that you said in your opening remarks that the behaviors of some of the protesters are showing some signs of terrorism. I wonder whether you’d mind explaining to us what would be the red line or turning point over which they would constitute terrorism? Would that then provide, under Chinese Law, a legal justification for the deployment of Chinese forces in Hong Kong?

路透社记者：你刚才提到一些抗议示威活动开始出现恐怖主义的苗头，你能否解释构成恐怖主义行为的红线和转折点是什么？依照中国法律，这是否将成为中方向香港派军队的合法依据？

 

Ambassador: From both the video clip and also what is happening in Hong Kong, especially what is happening at the airport, the atrocities have already drawn worldwide condemnation. Many media regarded them as terrorist acts. They are no different from terrorism. They are attacking the police, attacking the travelers, even attacking journalists, one of your colleagues from China. We heard strong condemnation from the Chinese Association of Journalists on this kind of attacks. So we call it a sign of terrorism and near-terrorism. I would call it neo-extremism. If it goes further, it might